I agree with Douglas Martin. I really liked The Loon, and hoped this album would kill. But the songs are just not there. So I've been telling people, "Great Fridmann production. Insane drums. Weak songs." Ditto the CYHSY album, which is really pretty good. But the reason it's not awesome is that some of the songs lag, and the overall direction is a little aimless. Dave didn't ruin anything (except possibly that first song). On the contrary, I think he only helped in both cases. And The Woods? C'mon! Loudest album ever!